Inside, outside, top to bottom. So move on. Great question. Search within r/halo . At the very least, she should have been released by now. What about the fact that they never found the gun? Steve Downs' wife had become ignorant of her children and often left them with her parents or ex-husband. They went through the process which demonstrates a certain level of commitment in itself. But, their marriage was far from what either of them had expected. The men in her life were in no shape or form called on their irresponsible or wild behavior. Dianes parents had high hopes for her future, a future that didnt involve Steve, so they disapproved of their relationship. Plus, the circumstances of this charade were more than sinister. Two of the kids survived the shooting with life altering injuries, and one of the children died. I think DD is guilty, but I also think her trial was far from due process, and that is the important issue. Her family supported her. Aint no one gonna tarnish my guys lol. What got her convicted was two things the towel and Christie. Q. 5. I appreciate this whole blog just want to give you a heads up. That single fact collaborated by a witness, convicts her for me. Why was no one in the family given the right to adopt them. 6. That hurt our family deeply. As an adoptive parent I cant even imagine trying to justify to my daughter our adopting her if we had in any way been a part of the case to terminate her from her bio family. The rest of the family? (Appendix 81, page 1466). It wasnt their fault, it was the job of the social workers and the courts to make sure the kids were not isolated from family. I couldnt get my hands on the book nor find anything in librariesso basically it was many years later I dove into knowing more about this case, that kinda haunted me. Ffs maybe u should go back to writing screenplays. Her parents Willadene and Wes were old school Baptist parents who raised her under strict guidelines without much warmth but complete devotion. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI, which is the official psychiatric diagnostic manual. Why didnt they mention that he said a bad man and whatever else in his condition when they knew it was not possible? Around 1 in 20 residents in Arkansas and Tennessee were missed during the 2020 census, and four other U.S. states had significant undercounts of their populations which could shortchange them Most people negotiate the ups and downs of . Only after these avenues are exhausted should non-relative placement be looked at. Now in hindsight, seeing footage on youtube, especially the interview she did with the reporter Anne Jagger, the things she says and facial expression is exactly described in the bookhad to find the section in the book, but on that note, Anne rule did site that interview correctly. The fact that the judge who presided over the child welfare case and the criminal case was the same individual is absolutely a conflict of interest. And being the mother of three only served to propel Diane in a more manic state. Jen Taylor . more on crime HEARTBREAKING FIND The Office star's sister-in-law found dead 11 days after going missing 'DISGUSTING' I actually can relate to things she did and was like, especially chasing after a guy that dont want youi did one night stands during my chase..to try to get over himits was a dumb idea and really made things worse, but it made sense at the time. Nobody had any reason for a conspiracy of this magnitude over a literal nobody. If she was the shooter, it had to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. During Dianes examination at trial, Fred Hugi said in front of the jury, in the form of a question, that she had been diagnosed as a , Anne Rule made a big deal of a brass unicorn engraved with the childrens names that Diane had purchased. PAY ATTENTION: Install our latest app for Android, read best news on Kenyas #1 news app. It opened a huge can of worms regarding the real identity of the heart full of lies in this case. Fitness fanatic, 27, broke her spine lifting weights but didn't realise until she woke up the next morning unable to move - and why her terrifying injury should be a warning to all gym-goers As far as her innocence goes and the possibility of being paroled if she admitted her crime, Diane strongly maintains her innocence. This unhealthy marriage survived and became a daily struggle. She is a monster and belongs in prison for the rest of her life. They dont need to be adopted and have their entire identity changed. Police witness reports of strangers and confessions were suppressed or not pursued. Whats wrong with the system is whats wrong with us. BUT like you rightly explain, there was no real evidence of her guilt. It probably was not salacious enough for her readers that she polled online to establish if there was enough interest in the story to fill her pockets with a definite blockbuster. It was not unlike brainwashing. Diane was known for her love of all animals whichshe treated with great care, and for her independent and wild streak. During the process of the termination (which can take the whole 2 years in question, with appeals) the court is mandated to find family to take the children. So when Dr. George Suckow from the Oregon State Hospital in Salem was called as a States rebuttal witness and he made a professional diagnosis of Diane as histrionics, antisocial and narcissistic, he openly said in court that he interviewed Diane for 1 hour and read evidence presented by the state to make his diagnosis. He was instead a result of an affair Diane had with a married man. It could have been very different at almost any other time or with any other attorneys or juries too. Strange how Jagger is pretty absent too except for the few photos where he is wrongly identified as Hugi. At the point Diane jumped into the car, her broken arm (resting in a sling in front of her) slammed into the steering wheel. Ive been to London to Fly the Queen ~ and Back to Collect Artifacts, Haleigh Cummings Was Once Lost but Now She Is Found, Meet Rene Acoby: In-House Female Dangerous Offender, Kelli Stapleton- A Mothers Wuthering Woes. As a rule, any child under the age of ten prompts counsel to question the competence of any testimony that child might give. Diane Downs and Alice Crummins were considered sluts and cold-blooded women and were judged on their unusual character. We dont know what the Hugi family was doing during this time, probably seeing the kids regularly and getting licensed and approved to take the kids home with them. Regina, I love your comment! There is no way that a jury would convict Diane today, based on the clearly coached testimony of Christie. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. On May 19, 1983, Diane and her kids visited a friend to look at her new horse, and then went for a drive; not at all unusual for this family not living according to middle class rules. She has been in prison for so long that we dont know what her mental health situation is so it is a moot point for me. In high school, she met handsome Steven Downs who saw her for the great beauty she had become. This is also what the state did to her. In fact, watching that was the first time I heard her voice and saw her presence, it was a year or so later that old interviews showed up on YouTube. They lied about the ballistics. In addition, the children were suffering life-changing physical and mental trauma, which would take years to heal. Her trial was speculative and based on so many fallacies. I was curious as to what these requirements were, as I have not seen these online. She was no mother of the year, I will grant them that, but a trial is supposed to be based on evidence. A reader told me that I should have a website with all the comments. Everything I outlined should be public knowledge. And I care about the lack of evidence. Even if I have no doubt that Hugi loved the kids, we have to wonder why he adopted them two years later just when little Christie started saying she had no clue who shot them. time it was the situation was down. Hello. I think that you are right about certain things not being ignored. After divorcing her wife, Diane Downs, in 1980, Steve was hardly part of their life. You can check this link and go online to see her picture with Cheryl and the rest of the family. Ive done my research. Who are Steve Downs children? http://www.salem-news.com/articles/july152013/midnight-med-tb-2.php Diane downs. I am just curious. The first two children were Diane's kids with her ex husband Steve Downs. Diane then replied, so, put her back on the stand and make her tell the truth. He said he would when it was his turn, but never did. Do you remember about two days after that the two of you signing a lease on the apartment? PAY ATTENTION: Click 'See First' under 'Follow' Tab to see Tuko.co.ke news on your FB Feed, Get the news that matters from one of the leading news sites in Kenya, Kenyans Share Hilarious Memes, Frustrations as KPLC Announces Nationwide Power Blackout, Xtian Dela's Mum Cries Bitterly As She Begs Son to Come Home, Says She's Not Seen Him in 4 Years, Linet Toto's Dowry: 7 Delectable Photos from MP's Negotiation Ceremony, Couple Lose KSh 3.4m on Their Wedding After Guests Don't Show Up: "So Heartbroken", Little Girl Begs Man on the Road for Money, Video Surprises Many, David and Rebecca Muir wedding, relationship, and family, Who is Lil Meech's mom? She also told media she became pregnant without Steve's "permission." 4 Steve has never spoken publicly about his ex-wife, Diane Credit: AP Where is Steve now? LMFAO!!!! And Steven was free to follow her lead or not. I am not saying that Diane was a saint or Ann Rule a demon. They never found the gun and she showed no signs of having fired one. Common sense will tell this Court, when Diane accidently slammed her mangled arm into the steering wheel of Detective Tracys car, it was ANYTHING but a laughing matter. And the motive? Anne Rule made a big deal of a brass unicorn engraved with the childrens names that Diane had purchased. Diane wanted to wait for her daughter to feel better, be accompanied by an expert and have the meetings taped? When you hear her in interviews she sounds more concerned with herself than her kids. Being interested in a subject without bringing emotions to the table is always the most important step. What I explain in the blog is that the fact that Foote is the one who removed the children from Dianes care is exactly why he should NOT have been presiding over her murder trial. Dianes daughter started saying that she did not know who shot them right when she got adopted. She had been isolated from her whole family and being unethically interrogated. The whole case is crazy. She did it. After all, many cases of domestic abuse and even neglect do stem from alcoholism or drug abuse. Downs went on trial on Jan. 12 for a rape and murder that happened in 1993, when he . After Diane got divorced from her husband in 1980, she had taken up a job at the U.S. postal service office, and that's where she first met him. In fact, what investigator Tracy had written in his notes is that the heart monitor jumped because of excitement or intense fear. Go reading US: The American Gulag, 26 Mar 2009 Exploding prison populations in the US serve a basic need of capitalism. Shes guilty. They often argued about their financial issues and fought over infidelities. Christie was it though. I followed the trial. The tragedy that hit the Downs' kids changed their whole life. She. 3. This is also a faster route to give the children permanency, and is far cheaper for the child welfare system that is always strained by the budget. Diane had moved to Oregon only 6 weeks before the tragedy to work in the area and have her parents spend time with the kids. This blog is riddled with inconsistencies, suppositions and a lack of the most basic referencing (e.g. A test for the presence of gunshot residue conducted on Dianes hands the night of the shooting, returned a negative result (Appendix 23). Re Diane Downs I invite reading Synopsis quite similar to above: OREGONs Juridical Small Sacrifices In 1992 I became involved in this work following my interest and research into a notorious murder trial that was held in Oregon many years ago. Whats more intriguing is that even after Diane became the prime suspect and lost custody of her surviving children, or when she was convicted, the kids didnt go live with Steve; they were adopted by the lead prosecutor in Dianes case. The lousy men in their lives never took a hit because after all, it was these witches fault. Not that Dianes mental health was not a factor in her letter, but it was definitely taken out of context in some instances. Your prayers were answered. What matters to me is that her rights were trampled during her trial. She had one arm totally out of commission. A. I told Diane before, but I certainly didnt tell her to The prosecutor would gently shake his head and the good judge would follow with a ruling. (He WAS shot in the back remember). It wasnt simply her demeanor that got her convicted. I ndicted money launderer and noted coup enthusiast Steve Bannon has refused to sit for a deposition in front of the January 6 Select Committee. The diagnosis of the psychiatrist for the state is also clearly documented. In this article, we can clearly see that Becky struggled and tried to justify her woes (maybe rightly so) by blaming it on her DNA. The DA adopting the children is an integral part of this and definitely needs to be included in the blog. Messed. Speculative? This reminds me of what a jail counselor named Rachel Roth said at the trial of Debra Milke Its my opinion that this young woman has been judged in a way that signifies something to do with how we view women in our society. Will Cheryl ever be let out of her grave? Besides, none of those diagnoses are illegal. Accused of her side of the story what the state says how would it be possible for her to do what they presumed. 20/20s coverage of Diane Downs and the actions that led her to be sentenced to life in prison is a good portrayal of what really happened. This case had many similarities to the Alice Crimminsstory. The notes taken daily by the nurses became a point of contention at trial. Wasnt it speculative on their part? In 1979, headstrong Diane gave birth to Danny who was not Stevens biological son because he had no desire to be a father again. She was harshly judged because of her demeanor. Yes, dad relinquished his rights but he knew that they loved their grandparents and had allowed Diane to take them for a visit without telling the authorities. The case was so one sided that it is about time some of us bring up the other side. I see that Downs had a parole hearing in late 2020 but I cant see the outcome. Their life without parole sentences are a dime a dozen and so randomly used that it beats any notion of justice for all. I state that it is not my place to judge innocence or guilt. My problem with the circumstances surrounding the crimes against these innocent children is that they were twisted by the media. We dont know. Posted by October 30, 2021 apush gilded age test on why didn't steve downs get custody The way it was. The parole board in Oregon was asking to provide reasonable cause to show she was not a danger to society and it had to be supported by a psychiatrists report or a Wardens letter and Downs provided both. The circumstances surrounding the crimes against these innocent children demand to be used as evidence.. My comment to you Lise is about your reply to a previous comment where you say Diane should have been released by now regardless of her statements. And after Diane left Arizona she didnt call Knick to inquire about his love, but rather about when he would repay the $500 (Appendix 81, pages 1479-1480). Theybrought out the big guns to unload on the public, their idea of the truth: Diane Downs was a horrible creature and a jilted lover who shot her three children in cold blood to be free to pursue a relationship with the man she was obsessed with. You seem to care about my opinion and perception of some elements of the case and how the media poisoned the well in this instance, but what about the trial? It appeared rigged and the fact that Ann Rule sat in the courtroom ready to produce a Masterpiece of Guilt could only help the prosecution. If the answer is, to keep the public safe, then I call BS. I had visited Dr. Billings site several times and it is too bad that it was removed. I didnt know that. Ryan is still in his thirties and still building an excellent reputation in the industry. In fact, Knick admits Diane took that gold chain as collateral against a $500 LOAN she made to him. answer the question why didn't steve downs get custody, which will help you get the most accurate answer. When analysing this blog, look at three statements from the blogger: Diane Downs and Alice Crummins were considered sluts So Mark, where are you from? All of it is explained in the blog you didnt bother reading. I worked for county child welfare services in Colorado for a decade. She wrote to the governor several times after being dismissed coldly by Hugi and the system. They should have left her alone. Steve Downs had allegedly stolen this gun from a friend named Billy Proctor, but after it was found and the ballistics did not match, Bill suddenly remembered keeping it only for a day before exchanging it for another Ruger automatic at a gun show in Mesa; which now meant that the gun that Diane allegedly used to shoot herself and the children, was still apparently nowhere to be found. I am sorry the meaning of nonsense evades you like the facts of the case in this instance. That conflict of interest alone would incline Christie to testify against her mother. It was positive only on a small portion of her upper hand where she said the gun touched her when she wrestled with the attacker (a detail she had mentioned before they did the test). They rarely are, especially in the US. How do you expect the daughter to have any fair understanding of the situation or any decent contact with Dianes family when the people who have been calling her mother a murderer and a monster are dragging her in the media spotlight in the hope of writing another book or getting a new scoop, but all one sided. She had a bullet wound in the arm, and the three kids in the back of the blood-soaked car had all been shot at close range. a clinical lab to Dianes not being herself the day the Detectives pressured Diane to accompany them, the fact is Diane was clearly suffering the residual effects of that chemical poison in her system. Christie was understandably all over the place and I agree that the way in which her statements were procured were very odd and seemed to be very coached. To have separated Christie from her brother and the rest of the family to be able to get her mom was unconscionable. 4. The cops admitted that they never investigated the tips about a bushy haired stranger. 4.Diane was NOT arrested for almost a year after the shootings the d.a. She may be highly vulnerable to losing control of her emotions in emotionally charged situations, creating faulty judgment and ineffective and inappropriate behavior. Not even the gun. Nevertheless, what was done seemed out of our hands and we could have no contact with them at all. Wrong. The person leaned into the car. The discovery that he wasnt his biological child made him leave the relationship. And her mental health should definitely have been a factor to release her with follow up care. The Halo TV show stars Orange is the New Black's Pablo Schreiber as Master Chief, with Californication's Natascha McElhone as Dr. Halsey. Lets also remember that this is the US of A and we dont lock people up for being narcissistic, antisocial histrionic individuals. It was also said at trial that the shooter would have been left handed, which was not the case for Diane. Reduces conflict because communication is limited. I watched the highlights of her hearing. Her older two children have remained out of the public eye. She was no mother of the year and in the car when the kids got shot. Only in Hollywood and in Ann Rules books, would you find such fantasy. They were in their care during the time Diane worked when she moved to Oregon. Q. They checked her nails to see if she could have buried the gun and they were clean. Parker Schnabel's net worth in 2023: Is he the richest on Gold Rush? Makes no difference to me. It was the story of Diane Downs. And, when she got assigned to the mail routes in the city of Cottage Grove, Oregon, as a part of her job with the U.S. postal service, he didnt have any qualms with her taking the children. None of this is EVIDENCE of anything in regard to the murder trial, and not once did I read that it was. The whole family were co-conspirators and involved in the crime? Maybe I'm dramatic but I no longer want to watch it . This website supports restorative justice, so of course it leans towards sentences that are not life without parole if it is supported by a warden and mental health specialists. Gregory Foote who had denied access to the children by all blood relatives and given their care over to the State, was promoted from juvenile to senior judge to preside over the trial of Diane Downs.. Child Protective Services takes confidentiality to the extreme (warranted in most cases). The fruit of this abduction was the May 23, 1983, videotape re-enactment staged by Detective Tracy in which Diane is clearly hysterical. Also, their union was turbulent ever since the beginning as Diane was reportedly disappearing with her children for long periods. Saudi Princesses in Captivity for More Than a Thousand and One Nights Are Tweeting the Blues, Having recently done research on the Liysa Northons case which was the subject of a book written by Ann Rule titled, Some 287 errors and falsehoods were documented by Liysa and verified by official sources. The states own witness, Dr. George Suckow and Dr. Polly Jamison denounced Prosecutor Hugis practice as improper and unethical (Appendix 101 and 104). But her behavior became the most important factor in the investigation that followed. They sure forgot to tell us about her pulse racing during these sessions. He actually was the one who suggested theybecome intimate after many friendly, platonic conversations. I know that most people think she is guilty. This unexpected proposal took Diane by surprise at a large family gathering. She goes on to say that she has deep regret and mourns the loss and death of her children. She was also shot twice andifshe had been sitting up, the seats would have been covered with blood spatter as well as the shooter. Brewer stood ready to testify in June 1991, that it was because of Prosecutor Hugis lie that he changed his mind to convict and that he alone was responsible for silencing the dissenting votes of two other jurors (Appendix 97). What happened to Diane Downs' husband? Her 7-year old daughter Cheryl died but her 3-year old son Danny and her 8-year old daughter Christie survived. Her flat affect is even more pronounced now and it did her in at the time, but she was lucid enough to clearly see that Rule and the media used Becky for their personal gain. Don't get butt hurt. Mind: Wrongful convicted. Maybe I should have elaborated more about this comment. During Dianes examination at trial, Fred Hugi said in front of the jury, in the form of a question, that she had been diagnosed as a deviant sociopath.. Yes Gigi, the same judge who had removed the children was also presiding over her trial. But you dont mention that she again has changed her story. I will agree that it was suspicious that Diane got away with one bullet in the arm, even if the injury was severe, but she was outside the car and many scenarios are possible to that effect. A slightly humorous observation is that you said, and others have, that James Haynes physically resembled the sketch.. He said all the police needed was for Diane to bear witness against her ex-husband. So either way, it would not be so far fetched that someone said he was the shooter.A little investigation would not hurt. The judge instructed them to continue on to force a verdict. This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply. And Im really not on the fence the little girl was coachedI believe the ex husband , his freinds, and her lovers were invalid either way. And the fact that Tracy wrote in his notes that Christies reaction could have been excitement to see her mom but they decided to only mention extreme fear? So she warns her to stay away. The tape is real and probably not admissible, but it seems to indicate that her testimony was coerced. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The forensic evidence alone is absolutely weak. Id have more influence arguing for better relationships with Mexico at a Donald Trump rally in Mexico. I mean if a guy admits to killing children over and over, shouldnt we pay attention to that? (Appendix 3). Or that they are not even curious about it. Contemporary family finding principles argue that a child is best nurtured by parents, then immediate family members, extended family members, spiritual family (Godparents), close friends, etc. A conviction founded on lies is no conviction at all. Page 50 of Case History. As far as Hugi is concerned, it was a total conflict of interest. I was a patient of the doctor who worked so hard to save her childrens lives that night. The towel and a girl who had a stroke, was separated from her family and was constantly questioned without being recorded or accompanied by a loved one and testifying to facts that do not match the testimony of the forensic expert is not being reduced to conjecture? It really doesnt matter that much of the trial and due process was faulty, because its so obvious that Diane is the one who did it and that justice was served. Yes, but it is a fact that she was starting to say that she did not know who shot them when it happened. Not exclusively a USA trait, this happens also in many countries, but in a technologically advanced superpower like USA this attitude is more shocking, and maybe also more worldwide spread. In one of them, he knew her name and in another one, she had answered a call and been told to meet someone. Considering that the marks on the lethal bullets did not fit the bullet fingerprinting found in the rifle, this gun switcheroo was a good save for the state, but did not support the theory presented at trial either.